tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post6197499333484948975..comments2023-10-31T11:54:43.310-04:00Comments on The Purple Center: Outside authorities should review the slow police response in Binghamton mass killingsJ. E. Burkehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08682657792334163396noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-84019128572785099482011-12-02T05:00:29.833-05:002011-12-02T05:00:29.833-05:00I was very pleased to find this blog.I wanted to s...I was very pleased to find this blog.I wanted to say thank you for having this great read!! 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Why dont you think of the other side of the argument before you go and run your mouth against those who protect you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-91599328791482872702009-04-06T18:34:00.000-04:002009-04-06T18:34:00.000-04:00Mars vs Hollywood -- I understand the "active shoo...Mars vs Hollywood -- I understand the "active shooter" protocol, which makes sense, of course.<BR/><BR/>However, it does not -- or should not -- follow that police wait and gear up in every other situation when there is no sign of an active shooter. There has to be some judgement made about the relative risks. In this case, it seems (!) that poor judgement was exercised. I say "seems" because I don't really want to point fingers. My view is that an outside authority should look into this and report the facts. Leaving it to the local authorities won't do.J. E. Burkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08682657792334163396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-88981857602662924802009-04-06T16:05:00.000-04:002009-04-06T16:05:00.000-04:00Last week, a LONE 25-year-old police officer, Just...Last week, a LONE 25-year-old police officer, Justin Garner, rushed into a nursing home in NC, confronted the gunman, and stopped the massacre. The police in Binghamton must have been waiting for their numbers to increase to ONE BRAVE OFFICER!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-66792422402058796292009-04-06T15:19:00.000-04:002009-04-06T15:19:00.000-04:00A lot of people don't seem to understand how these...A lot of people don't seem to understand how these sorts of responses work. After Columbine, a lot of agencies developed a policy for "active shooter" situations. This is one where the suspect cannot be negotiated with or contained, because he's just killing people, as opposed to taking hostages or barricading.<BR/><BR/>In these scenarios, there is no time to call SWAT or negotiators, so the first officers on scene have to make immediate entry. The important thing to remember is that this is ONLY done if you know that the active shooter is still killing people.<BR/><BR/>The gunman in Binghamton was in fact dead before the police arrived, and so there would be no indications that would have triggered the "active shooter" response protocol. It's reasonable to think that the responding police didn't know what they had.Mars vs Hollywoodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-72850721898851841292009-04-06T14:24:00.000-04:002009-04-06T14:24:00.000-04:00Maybe the public needs a new phone number to call ...Maybe the public needs a new phone number to call when you are in dire need of help. Call "711" for the SWAT team since the police might just let you die. It just goes to show you that the government cannot always be there to help you. People should be allowed to carry concealed weapons to protect themselves(sane adults that pass a gun handling course).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-36298758123343109612009-04-06T13:46:00.000-04:002009-04-06T13:46:00.000-04:00The media initially called out that it was a hosta...The media initially called out that it was a hostage situation. The McDonalds killings in San Diego many years ago continued after the police arrived because the standing order was to have the negotiating team there before any action was take. Was this the situation here as well?amrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09351633653335252003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-32610718769048330402009-04-06T13:08:00.000-04:002009-04-06T13:08:00.000-04:00This obviously means that they need lots more mone...This obviously means that they need lots more money, lots of new guns, lots more fancy equipment, special training classes in Florida (in February) and a brand new tank to carry it all around in. THEN they'll be ready, by golly!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-46597582852479365812009-04-06T12:23:00.000-04:002009-04-06T12:23:00.000-04:00This behavior sends a clear message to crazy mass-...This behavior sends a clear message to crazy mass-murderers: kill a bunch of people, then find a good tactical position, wait an hour, kill the first cop you see. The cops will reward you with hours more free time to kill more innocents or escape.<BR/><BR/>Incentives matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-57388899328680591802009-04-06T12:20:00.000-04:002009-04-06T12:20:00.000-04:00I'm not surprised. The police do not have to put t...I'm not surprised. The police do not have to put their lives at risk if they don't want to. This has been supported by a Supreme Court decision.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-80901188949683564702009-04-06T12:17:00.000-04:002009-04-06T12:17:00.000-04:00Suppose the DA is correct. So what? How is that ...Suppose the DA is correct. So what? How is that relevant? How exactly did the police determine that no one in the building needed immediate medical treatment?buzznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-28042980204661794202009-04-06T11:09:00.000-04:002009-04-06T11:09:00.000-04:00Its not that bad. Its worse really. The police chi...Its not that bad. Its worse really. The police chief knows that the higher the body count the more the calls for "Gun Control" therefore better to wait to give the shooter plenty of opportunity. After all the one hour they waited will help ensure the "safety of the officers" from the peasants in the future as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-26590904958587446912009-04-06T11:08:00.000-04:002009-04-06T11:08:00.000-04:00Small point of order: "...after a critically wound...Small point of order: <I>"...after a critically wounded receptionist called 9-11"</I>. The receptionist probably called the emergency number, 911, and not the date, September 11th.<BR/><BR/>As to the substance, it does boggle the mind and make you wonder what the police are for when they stand around while people bleed to death. Citizens shouldn't have guns (according to a certain self-righteous segment of the population and political leadership) and yet, when the people who carry guns on their behalf and whose job it is to protect them fail to come to their aid you have to ask why that makes any sense. If it's "too dangerous" for the people with guns how dangerous must it be for the people without. Be a man, get in there, and save some lives. Otherwise, get out of the way.<BR/><BR/><I>"I have to imagine the 1st officers were held back from going in by "superiors".That's their nature, at last most of the ones I know/knew anyway..."</I><BR/><BR/>That's what I was thinking. It might have been a bad thing, not a good thing, that the police chief arrived on the scene so quickly. A tactical commander might have done something useful, but the chief, perhaps, reverted to an overly-cautious bureaucratic CYA mode as if he was back in his office.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-59888082665811688212009-04-06T11:00:00.000-04:002009-04-06T11:00:00.000-04:00Waiting for an hour doesn't reflect well on Bingh...Waiting for an hour doesn't reflect well on Binghamtons "finest"...They are lucky the shooter committed suicide as oppposed to continuing to massacre people until he was shot. The death toll could have been 10 times the amount in light of the police departments failure to act. If this is going to be the response of officers in the future you might as well just send the Coroner to to pick up the bodies when the shooters run out of bullets and tell the cops to stay at Dunkin' Donuts until their crime scene tape is needed.<BR/><BR/>It is a good thing the officer at the nursing home in North Carolina didn't take the same approach as these guys or everyone at the nursing home would have been killed.. Another reason to move South...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-66144913713086815232009-04-06T10:35:00.000-04:002009-04-06T10:35:00.000-04:00The cover-up is almost as shameful as the original...The cover-up is almost as shameful as the original cowardice. We know that at least the receptionist who called the police was severely wounded and certainly needed prompt attention. A disgrace on the order of the Colorado school shooting--secure the area, break out the donuts and wait until we are absolutely positive the danger has passed, then bring the victims out in handcuffs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-5141947551104475472009-04-06T09:53:00.000-04:002009-04-06T09:53:00.000-04:00Some of the same questions about the Von Maur shoo...Some of the same questions about the Von Maur shooting in Omaha, December 5, 2008.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-1223287551727203652009-04-06T09:37:00.000-04:002009-04-06T09:37:00.000-04:00I thought that after Columbine, police around the ...I thought that after Columbine, police around the country were being trained to go into a situation like this IMMEDIATELY, and *not* to wait for SWAT. I was stunned when I first read that the NY cops waited until they thought it was "safe" to enter the building. <BR/><BR/>Too bad all the dead folks are immigrants and not familiar with American litigation, or their families would be suing the city and the police department into bankruptcy for negligence, using Columbine as the example.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-45833013206602041872009-04-06T09:33:00.000-04:002009-04-06T09:33:00.000-04:00Police/Swat officers these days are great at dress...Police/Swat officers these days are great at dressing up all "Tactical" and looking cool. But we know cowards when we see them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-37023453985000537622009-04-06T08:44:00.000-04:002009-04-06T08:44:00.000-04:00It seems to me that D.A. Mollen has forgotten wher...It seems to me that D.A. Mollen has forgotten where his paycheck comes from.Moonshinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12070839738165767582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-31522821303191965492009-04-06T08:23:00.000-04:002009-04-06T08:23:00.000-04:00I am a former officer in NJ.I have to imagine the ...I am a former officer in NJ.<BR/>I have to imagine the 1st officers were held back from going in by "superiors".That's their nature, at last most of the ones I know/knew anyway... <BR/>Here 's the unvarnished,inconvenient truth.<BR/>Cops arrive "after the fact" in almost EVERY CASE LIKE THIS. <BR/>One has to wonder what the outcome would have been if some of those murdered were themselves armed...Bob Sleddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-52400611181055641122009-04-06T07:48:00.000-04:002009-04-06T07:48:00.000-04:00I imagine there were some PD troops who were itchi...I imagine there were some PD troops who were itching to get in the building asap.steve cpo retnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-27292623693349929842009-04-06T07:43:00.001-04:002009-04-06T07:43:00.001-04:00Our 2nd Amendment rights are under attack. This i...Our 2nd Amendment rights are under attack. This is out of Alinskys playbook. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the person from sympathy. That attacks the institution. Works for journo-lists too.mungohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07690705240409333934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-44807468838337933002009-04-06T07:43:00.000-04:002009-04-06T07:43:00.000-04:00I just posted about this yesterday. The AP reporte...I just posted about this yesterday. The AP reported that the police waited for about an hour before entering the building to make sure it was <I>safe for officers</I>." (Italics added)<BR/><BR/>As <A HREF="http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2009/04/lone-hero-group-fear.html" REL="nofollow">I wrote</A>, <BR/><BR/>>>>we don't give cops guns so they can make sure <I>they</I> are safe. They are supposed to protect the usually-unarmed masses even at risk to life. It is merely luck that the Binghamton shooter had stopped killing people by the time the police arrived. <BR/><BR/>Suppose the police had heard more gunfire when they arrived. Would they have immediately charged the building? How many shots would it have taken for them to do so? One? Five? A dozen? More? Or would they have decided instead that it was really too unsafe for them to enter?<BR/><BR/>Don't expect an investigation worthy of the name. As you've actually demonstrated, the coverup and buttsaving has already begun.<BR/><BR/>Remember the old saying, "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away"? Well, when seconds count, the Binghamton police are only an hour away.Donald Sensinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01395472322281027191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4214720874193394920.post-8154218659039674342009-04-06T07:41:00.000-04:002009-04-06T07:41:00.000-04:00If this had been a fire would the firemen havewait...If this had been a fire would the firemen have<BR/>waited an hour before entering the building?<BR/>I think NOT,professional yellow tape installers indeed!<BR/><BR/> Len Bennett Eastern CanadaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com